How Prophets are Made

Soon we will base our spiritual guidance on Mission Impossible…
In the old days people didn't have the Internet to criticize people that either claimed themselves or others to be prophets. Thankfully, we do today or otherwise our descendants might be looking at Tom Cruise with the same eyes as we today look at Jesus. A top scientologist is now claiming that Tom Cruise is the chosen one and that people will bow down and answer to him in the years to come.

How might the world look if people really started treating him as a prophet? Well psychiatrists will probably be outlawed, and anti-depressive drugs forbidden. Unless he gets his act together and writes some "holy" scriptures we might be stuck with decrypting spiritual guidance from Mission Impossible.

Oh and lets not forget that praying will probably mean jumping on your couch…

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Ewings at Scientofork?

By the way, have you heard about the Dallas remake first scheduled to start filming in October 2006 but to this day still looking for a new cast, new investors, new distributors and a new script?

Up to now, the only officially credited actor is John Travolta in the role of J.R. Ewing. I was thinking maybe the Scientolog church may consider investing in the movie. Considering how some of the members seem to have a tough time finding roles, how about this cast:

John Travolta - J.R. Ewing
Tom Cruise - Bobby Ewing
Katie Holmes - Pamela Barnes-Ewing (if she's not too young)
Jennifer Lopez - Sue Ellen (she was rumoured to play this role)
Kirstie Alley - Miss Ellie
Lisa Marie Presley - umm.. Donna Krebbs?

Barbera Bel Geddes was nine years older than Larry Hagman. Kirstie Alley is three years older than John Travolta, but otherwise at the exact same age as Bel Geddes was in 1978. With a bit of aging make-up, it could work.

Another possible role for Lisa Marie would be Jenna Wade, originally played by her mother Priscilla Presley. On the other hand, in a 2-3 hour movie, Bobby can't have two women simultaneously.. or maybe he can. Lisa Marie is four years younger than Tom Cruise, but a decade older than Katie.

Ouff, not Cruise

I am still trying to figure out if the Discordianism is just a joke or a something serious... the whole joke disguised as religion disguised as a joke has gotten my head spinning:-).

I had heard about a remake of Dallas. Are all these people scientology people? I was pretty young when they showed Dallas so I only remember the major roles like J.R., Bobby and Sue Ellen. Rest is a blur for me:-). Don't think I am right one to judge really but I know though that Tom Cruise gives me the creeps and hence I would rather not see him as Bobby:-).

It is now or never

They're more or less part of the same community. Katie may yet so far only be attached as a relative, and Jennifer as well (she expressed that her dad is a devoted Scientolog, but it wasn't clear if she is as well).

In any case, if the movie doesn't start filming this summer or early fall, I think they'll scrap the whole project. It has been written about for too long: director replaced, new script, new investors, almost none of the cast signed. There ought to be dozens more interesting stories to tell than compressing a ~15 year long TV series into a few hours long movie. On the other hand, in 2008 it is 30 years since the original series had its premiere, so maybe it makes sense to do this movie now or never.

30 years is a long time

Yes you are right, they cannot wait much longer. People younger than me probably don't remember it and the people that remember it the best (my parents) are getting older, and older. They might have few years on them though... The thing I remember best about Dallas was that the entire family would sit down and watch it and everyone had to go to the bathroom after the show... I remember very little of the actual plot. But, I have been to Southfork:-).

Dallas = Nausea?

everyone had to go to the bathroom after the show...

I hope it was not to throw up? ;-)

Wondering

Hmmm you got me wondering:-)

Missing the point

Tom Cruise is already a prophet. Celebrities have replaced deities in everyday life and common parlance. Romans, Greeks and Indians all have/had their pantheon of Gods. Goddess of Beauty, God of War, whatever. We have Paris Hilton, and Donald Rumsfeld.

We just like to think we're smart, so we don't believe in "irrational" spiritual beings. Then everybody buys People magazine to find out what Tom Cruise said, as if his life was so much more interesting than ours.

Tom might not be an ideal in the sense of a monotheistic religion's Supreme Being, but he's at least as famous and quoted as Apollo or Brahma.

Thankfully he is not the smartest

Oh my God! Mentioning Paris Hilton in the same paragraph as goddesses and prophets and even I start thinking it is a blasphemy:-).

You are right though. Many people look up to the stars and obsess about them. I have never managed to get majorly obsessed about any stars but I have to admit that I do read the equivalents of People magazine when at the dentist...:-). Shush, don't tell anyone!

Thankfully most stars are seemingly harmless and stupid. Now, after you mentioned it I shudder to think what could happen if Tom Cruise was actually smart...

Stupidity as a characteristic

Perhaps they only act a bit airheaded, to not put people in worry? It may even be that for some people, career opportunities are greater if you pretend to be dumb than show your true mental capacities. I'm mainly thinking about the sterotype of the blonde girl with a silicone enhanced chest. Who wants to invite her to a party if she's going to host intelligent conversations, only drink lightly and dress elegant? After two parties like that, nobody is interested in her appearance anymore. The goddess status will be withdrawn when she has showed how she's an intelligent human like the rest of us.

Better making a fool out of yourself, make strange remarks, drink yourself unconscious and choose a dress that you easily can cause a nipslip from, or short enough to show that you're going commando. A lot of people will get attracted to her like wild animals to a water source. While your conscient brain half may find it embarrassing, she will make herself a name and slowly build up a secondary career after the glory days are over.

Ergo, feigned stupidity may be a valuable characteristic for someone who wants to become a pop culture "prophet". If you at one point choose to mention a god or not is not as important.

I am willing to bet!

Whot?!? Men don't like women that can host intelligent conversations? I would never have guessed:-). You might be right but I still doubt it. There are many of these stars that go on talk shows and try to sound intelligent but just end up making a fool of themselves. Sure some are very smart but many are simply like they look, silly. I willing to bet stuff on that:-).

Life on the giggly side

There is a Swedish comedy group who made a show called Hey Baberiba, final episode (for now) sent around New Year. One of their major elements is impersonations of most famous people, from the Royal family to Zlatan and local actors.

The female in the comedy group, Christine Meltzer does some extraordinary impersonations. When she impersonates Victoria Silvstedt, it is all about blonde looks, big boobs and giggles, just like the real thing tends to picture herself. In one of the last impersonations, she played Victoria out on the street, getting a mobile phone call discussing advanced business strategies when "Victoria" suddenly realized the camera was on so she had to play a ditzy blonde and dismiss everything with a giggle. I wouldn't be surprised if the "real" Victoria Silvstedt as we know her from media coverage also is partly a role and she wouldn't be caught dead to show her intelligent side if she has one.

Lets make the same silly mistakes again and again...

Maybe you are right:-). I barely know who Victoria Silvstedt is, so I cannot really comment on her. It is possible that some of them play dumb. Then again wouldn't they come out when they are old and say "hey you fools, it was all a joke". I also find it hard to believe that you would go as far as Pamela Anderson to play dumb. How many times has she married/gotten back together with all those bad guys that she keeps divorcing?

I guess it is important though to remember that there are many stars that are intelligents. They just tend to keep more private than the dumb ones, hence we don't notice them that much.

Be your own prophet

You may also consider checking out Discordianism in which it is said that "every single man, woman and child on this Earth is a pope". It reminds me of that Depeche Mode song, "Everyone is Jesus".

Forging a prophet...

Well, jumping on a couch has to be better than the kneeling on cold stones from my childhood...

Actually, there have always been masses of prophets or holy leaders declared, and the vast majority of them have vanished pretty quickly, when the world didn't end the day they predicted or whatever. Just before people had the internet, there was a film about "the rapture" which was supposed to happen on October 17 of 1992 (If I recall correctly). Around that time, a very minor prophet called David Koresh, and a collection of people prepared to believe him, were destroyed in a firestorm. As far as I can tell both he and the FBI (who were ostensibly there to shut down his cult) effectively collaborated in maximising the death and destruction in Waco that day. There have been hundreds of others in my own lifetime.

A few have lasted longer. Sikhism appeared around 500 years ago, starting as a small cult and growing into a powerful religion that took over the Punjab and is still pretty strong today. Some prophet appeared in Vietnam in the 1920s and set up a sect that still exists despite heavy repression. Falun Gong is heavily repressed in China, yet apparently thriving and certainly famous.

Maybe what it really takes to create a prophet is someone else prepared to make a martyr of them, when there are a few people who are prepared to venerate the memory of such a martyr and have the talent to spread the idea.

Sometimes, of course, the ideas are pretty good. Christianity spread in part because it gave hope to the downtrodden masses of the time, becoming a religion "of women and slaves". Over time (a dozen and a half centuries or so) it even managed to be a powerful force for the abolition of slavery - and it has sometimes been used to support (and others to oppress) women's aspirations and situation. Similarly, Islam established various rights for women of the time and initially provided for a community that would stop trying to kill, rob or enslave each other. (Later, both religions were used as excuses to do exactly what they had prohibited - after all, they are interpreted for us by actual humans... :( )

Communism, raised almost to a religion by secular prophets including Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara, and their latter-day successors such as Hugo Chavez and Danny Ortega (both popularly elected as heads of state in more or less free and fair elections), often tried to repress theistic religion in favour of a particular form of secular humanism. Again, the implementation didn't always match the specification, and the downsides were pretty tragic at times.

And in the aftermath of Communism in Europe we see that the churches they repressed actually grew stronger, while they decayed in the "free West". The secular prophets they repressed have either become tarnished and lost popularity, as was the case with Walesa and Havel, or followed the pattern of being corrupted by power that was described so elegantly in George Orwell's "Animal Farm" (some argue that this is the case with Vladimir Putin, for example), giving rise to a new generation of democrat martyrs...

Too much to investigate, too little time

You have a very good point about the cold stones vs. the couch:-)!

You bring up many interesting examples here and it reminds me that I need to read up on many things like Sikhism and Communism. I also need to read Animal Farm. I read it when I was 16 in school but I was too young to get it and didn't have a good grasp of English either.

Another interesting study would be to investigate all that have tried to become prophet or that have partially exceeded!

Only poor people can be Messias?

Of course Tom Cruise is the chosen one ... for Scientologs that is! He is famous, rich, reasonably good looking (some people think, other may think he's a slime), has an equally famous and good looking wife. Further, he has become a very strong believer in his own religion and doesn't hesitate to be open about it, unlike other movie stars and artists who may not speak as freely about their commitment in the Scientology church. In short, they could not have found a better "spokesperson" that Tom. He only needs to finally convert Katie from Catholicism, unless she already haven't.

I suppose he does some long time investments apart from living a luxurius life and sponsoring his church. Many people appear to think twice before working with him or his movie company, and if no new jobs appear, even a very rich person at one point may run out of money. Perhaps it is then he will start doing wonders and prove his divine gifts?

They are all crazy

I don't think Tom Cruise good looking!! Just wanted to make that clear:). I am eagerly awaiting for him proving his divine gift! The scary part is that if this was few hundred years ago he really could have become a prophet! But he is probably making money from the church now. There have been online rumours about people making money from members and there is a lot of controversy surrounding the religion. It even has tried to get Google and Yahoo to exclude pages that contain critisism of the religion... now that makes you wonder.

Unwanted publicity and antipopes

For that matter, I'm sure there are hundreds, if not thousands of other organisations, companies, individuals and so on who are asking the search engines to exclude certain pages because some of the search results involve criticism or harassment. Perhaps if the Scientologs had tried to buy e.g. Yahoo and then weed out the unwanted references I would be more impressed/worried.

By the way, I suppose the antipopes are worth mentioning in this context as well. Only counting since 1990, about 5-10 people around the world have declared themselves (or in some cases elected by a small conclave) the rightful pope.

The most recent one Wikipedia knows is Oscar de la Compasión (not to be confused with middleweight boxer Oscar de la Hoya or fashion designer Oscar de la Renta :-), an Argentine who on March 24, 2006 was voted for pope by Santa Iglesia Católica Apostólica Remanente, founded in Buenos Aires in 1774.

Maybe I should convert to Catholicism, study hard and in ten years from now come back as Pope Carlsson.. err, that didn't sound very much like Latin.

Rich people with all the power

Can't you modify your name a little bit? Pope Carlos is just two characters missing and one swap. That is a latin name even though it only makes me think of latin pop stars... Your name is at least more flexible. I don't think Pope Jónsdóttir would work:-). Then again, don't the popes always change their names?

This is very facinating. I didn't know that there had been people claiming themselves as popes. People are more crazy than I thought.

There was actually a recent case here in Norway when some rich wacko started buying stocks in one of newspapers because he wasn't happy that they posted a picture
of him with girls in a bikini. He bought the stocks to get influence. I guess that kind of censorship is very common.
More common than we know!

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Gerður Jónsdóttir

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